[hpsdr] Penelope versus Penny(Lane)

[George Byrkit]

I do have a spare PennyLane or two here at Muppet Labs...  Where the experiments are always incoming, and never completed, due to too much interesting observations and fun

73
George K9TRV

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From: Hpsdr <hpsdr-bounces at lists.openhpsdr.org> On Behalf Of Jim Sanford
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2024 10:32 AM
To: Chris Smith <chris at wealdencottage.co.uk>; hpsdr at lists.openhpsdr.org; wb4gcs at amsat.org
Subject: Re: [hpsdr] Penelope versus Penny(Lane)

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Chris, you are right, I DID get it backward.  THANK YOU for the correction.

To this end, I would like to replace the Penelope with PannyLane in the
rig that drives the KW amplifier to maximize the quality of the signal I
am amplifying.  Unfortunately, Q1 on that board is shorted.  Hoping my
70-year old eyes and hands can replace, fortunately it is toward the end
of the board, so I think I can do it without destroying anything else.

Good luck on the recovery -- I skipped the arrest, but have had two
surgeries over 4 years.  DOing good now, best wishes to you.

Thanks, again for the correction.

Jim

wb4gcs at amsat.org


On 6/15/2024 9:59 AM, Chris Smith wrote:
> Jim
>
> I believe you have it essentially right but the wrong way round, if I’m reading your description correctly.
>
> Penelope adjusts output power using digital input to the DAC reducing resolution in the process. Pennylane adjusts output power by adjusting the voltage reference to the DAC thus preserving full resolution.
>
> I recently resurrected my Atlas based set up after a couple of years hiatus due to ill health (cardiac arrest followed by CPR and defibrillation)  and I’m still enjoying the set-up.
>
> Cheers & 73
>
> Chris G4NUX
>
>> On 15 Jun 2024, at 12:29, Jim Sanford <wb4gcs at wb4gcs.org> wrote:
>>
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>> Going back MANY years, my memory is as follows:
>>
>> Penny(lane) adjusts output power using digital input to the DAC. This
>> effectively reduces the number of bits at low powers, which reduces
>> resolution.
>>
>> Penelope adjusts output power by adjusting the voltage reference to the
>> DAC, allowing full resolution using all bits in the DAC. ALLEGEDLY, this
>> provides a cleaner signal at low powers than Penny.
>>
>> That is what I remember, standing by to be corrected by those smarter
>> than me.
>>
>> Related but maybe off topic:
>>
>> When I want low power (like to drive a 1.5KW amp with high gain), i put
>> an attenuator between the exciter and the PennyWhistle amp. This lets me
>> run the exciter closer to MAX, but still get whatever power I want to
>> drive the amplifier.  Max output from the exciter board is 0.5W, so you
>> don't need expensive attenuators.
>>
>> Good luck and 73,
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> wb4gcs at amsat.org
>>
>>
>> On 6/15/2024 7:16 AM, George Byrkit wrote:
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>>> Dear Merv,
>>>
>>> They are 'essentially' the same, but are different.  They do take the same firmware.  There is usually one checkbox, and in some software it may say 'Penny/Penelope' or similar.
>>>
>>> I've seen 0 for version numbers before...
>>>
>>> Since you are using an Atlas bus, boards must be in adjacent slots (no empty slots), and the 'I2C' jumpers need to be fitted to the boards so that some signals pass thru.  This is required to be able to interrogate the boards and get back a version number.  If you have an incompatible firmware set (among Ozy/Magister/Metis, Penny/Penelope, and Mercury), then the signals may not pass thru properly.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure where the exact info is, as I'm re-configuring computers these days.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> George K9TRV
>>>
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>>> From: Hpsdr <hpsdr-bounces at lists.openhpsdr.org> On Behalf Of Mervyn Thomas
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2024 5:06 AM
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>>> Cc: Fritz Berrer <tmi at aussiebb.com.au>
>>> Subject: [hpsdr] Penelope versus Penny(Lane)
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>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I'm using PowerSDR OpenHPSDR mRX PSv3.4.9(3/19/18) and the setup
>>> selection tabs where one chooses which boards are mounted  refers to
>>> Penny(Lane) only and shows the version firmware as 0.0.
>>>
>>> Are Penny(Lane) and Penelope the exact same thing please?
>>>
>>> 73,  Merv  VK6BMT
>>>
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