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color:#1F497D'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>I completely agree with Stijn. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Hands off these pay tools! You will give up the open source idea
of HPSDR and get independent of these FPGA optimization tools dominating the
complete firmware code. The system will get locked for people not licensed by Altera.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>73, Helmut, DC6NY <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>Von:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Hpsdr
[mailto:hpsdr-bounces@lists.openhpsdr.org] <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Stijn Nestra<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 10. Februar 2017 20:24<br>
<b>An:</b> hpsdr@lists.openhpsdr.org<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [hpsdr] "FPGA Floor Planning"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Just fyi,<br>
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These are the prices for Quartus per seat per year. <a
href="https://www.altera.com/buy/design-software.html#note">https://www.altera.com/buy/design-software.html#note</a><br>
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If we go this route, you exclude any hobbyist who wants to make his own
modifications to the code.<br>
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Just my opinion,<br>
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Stijn PE1RKS<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Op 10-02-17 om 18:33 schreef Scott Traurig:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>***** High Performance Software Defined Radio Discussion List *****<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
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<p class=MsoNormal>How is it that the free version of Quartus is sufficient
when just recently both the Angelia and Orion firmware updates required
multiple, rapid iterations and still apparently either don't work at all, don't
work for everyone, or work but have to trade-off previous functionality for new
functionality?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Given the current complexity of the firmware (which, by the
way, only underscores the really tremendous amount of phenomenal work that Joe
and Phil have completed over the years), timing closure has had to become more
and more difficult with the free tool. This is even more of an issue with the
new firmware protocol where there is more data, moving faster, than ever
before.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Another factor that is driving the need to go to a more
capable development environment is the fact that there is no lab where a
firmware build can be fully validated on a range of Hermes, Angelia or Orion
boards, over temperature, before release. This makes achieving tight timing
about the nominal range even more important such that builds that work for some
and not others are less likely.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Here's another suggestion: the firmware source code remains
open source, of course. And those who wish to develop on the free version of
Quartus can still do so. But it would seem that Apache Labs might want to
obtain the standard version of Quartus and someone willing and able to use it
to polish up the timing of a given build such that it will reliably work on all
Apache Labs radios under most conditions.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>73,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Scott/w-u-2-o<o:p></o:p></p>
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