[hpsdr] VS2010 vs VS2012, also please avoid 'Surface' tablets

[George Byrkit]

Dear Berndt,
OK on FFTW compiling for ARM.  I'd have to create a build for it on windows.
As far as libusb0, that's the problem: it's libusb0 (ZERO) and NOT libusb1.  On windows, it's a device driver.

WinRT and device drivers begs a whole lot of questions.  I'm not convinced that WinRT will be more accepted than Vista was, and if that's the case, hardly worth the effort!

The current software will run fine on the x86 and x64 versions of Windows 8.  At this point, it hardly seems worth the effort to build for WinRT and the Surface tablets, given the considerable rejection of Microsoft's hardware efforts, especially cell phones, in the recent past.  Just look where Nokia has gotten to since dropping Symbian for Windows Phone 7/7.5/maybe 8!

73,
George K9TRV

-----Original Message-----
From: Berndt Josef Wulf [mailto:wulf at ping.net.au] 
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 5:27 PM
To: George Byrkit
Cc: hpsdr at lists.openhpsdr.org
Subject: Re: [hpsdr] VS2010 vs VS2012, also please avoid 'Surface' tablets

G'day George,

many thanks for the information. Yes, I too was wondering why VS2012
wasn't the choice for this project. 

Personally, I would prefer seeing more support for cross platform
development. ghpsdr and cuSDR are shining examples. I've both running on
Ubuntu 12.04LTS

I've built ghpsdr and ghpsdr3 on Raspberry Pi (pisces 3.2.27), which
uses an ARM processor. Both fftw3f and libusb1.0 built fine.

cheerio Berndt

On Sun, 2012-10-21 at 12:33 -0400, George Byrkit wrote:
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> So here's why we aren't planning to move to VS2012 any time soon:
> 1) VS2010 runs on WinXP.  VS2012 will NOT run on WinXP
> 2) VS2012 is only now about to receive support to be able to create C++ apps that will run
> on XP.  This is currently an item that is in early testing.
> 
> So, please continue to use VS2010, and do NOT use VS2012.
> 
> Also, you would be well advised to avoid any 'Microsoft Surface' tablets, as not suitable
> for use with PowerSDR, KISS or other general windows software.  Why?  Because apparently
> the initial 'surface' units to be released will NOT be 'x86' or 'x64' units, but will use
> the ARM processor.  I do not know of a port of FFTW to ARM yet, and without that, any use
> of PowerSDR or KISS would be extremely premature.  Also, the version of libusb0 that is
> used with Ozy does NOT have an ARM port, either.
> 
> The other issue is that no one is working to create an application that will be downloaded
> from the Microsoft store, which is the ONLY way to acquire apps to use on a 'surface'
> tablet.  Sometimes new technology is REALLY on (or past) the 'bleeding edge' and should be
> avoided for good reason...  I have no plans to port KISS to Surface devices...
> 
> 73,
> George K9TRV
> 
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