[hpsdr] Ozy/Magister will likely stop working on Win10 in about 60 days

[Jim Sanford]

I, for one, would like to see this continued, so would gladly contribute 
some $$.

I have two Ozy setups and would like to continue using.  I don't intend 
to upgrade to Win 10 until forced, maybe I can stay on Win 7 until Win 
12 -- but this issue will still be here.

Jim

wb4gcs at amsat.org



On 8/20/2016 4:25 PM, George Byrkit wrote:
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> Dear Dick,
> Your email would be better without anti-Microsoft invective...  We have a problem coming
> up on Windows 10, and moving to Linux just doesn't fix the problem for those who do not
> want to move.
>
> This is tied to a change in Microsoft policy, and as the article I referenced indicates,
> it is related to Secure Boot.  So yes, we have knowledge that it is tied to this.  And we
> expect that some/any hams will be reluctant to change the BIOS settings in their new
> computer.  We have no expectation that we could or should force them to disable this
> setting.  Nor do we think that having to choose at boot-time to load 'test drivers' is a
> legitimate option.
>
> Windows 10 is a real operating system, despite what you might think.  You cannot fault
> developers for implementing on the OS vendor (Microsoft) that is used by the vast majority
> of personal computers (I exclude phones and tablets here, on purpose.)  I am using it just
> fine on about a half dozen computers at home, including my Ham computer, and my
> development machines.  Much better to move to the new OS version, get familiar with it,
> and overcome any objections, rather than speak about them vaguely.
>
> There are so many versions of Linux, and in fact KISS Konsole runs on the Mac and on
> Ubuntu.  I cannot speak for PowerSDR.  Every OS at one time or another puts obstacles and
> changes in the way of compatibility.  I've been at this about 40 years.  No one is better
> or worse than anyone else.
>
> Yes, people with Ozy/Magister could keep running on older operating systems.  It would
> help me a lot if they did!  But some/any will upgrade to Windows 10, possibly because
> their older computer dies, and then come to realize that they have this problem.  Or they
> have upgraded to windows 10 from, say, windows 7, and don't have this problem now, but if
> they have to reformat their hard drive, or (re)install the OS to a new hard drive, they
> WILL have this problem.
>
> One of the reasons that we went to Ethernet with Metis was that a performant driver comes
> with every OS that we might use (Windows, Mac, Linux.)  The other reasons included that
> the driver was provided by the OS vendor, needed no signing, had much higher data transfer
> capacity at the time, transferred large packets efficiently, etc.
>
> 73,
> George K9TRV
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dick Faust [mailto:k9ivb at cox.net]
> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 3:46 PM
> To: George Byrkit <ghbyrkit at chartermi.net>; HPSDR <hpsdr at openhpsdr.org>
> Subject: Re: [hpsdr] Ozy/Magister will likely stop working on Win10 in about 60 days
>
> Does anyone have knowledge that this signing is directly tied to UEFI /
> Secure boot in the BIOS ?   When Win 10 first came out I "upgraded" on
> MBR [now called legacy] boot with both x32 and x64 systems with out a
> problem.  If converting to boot MBR/Legacy would solve the problem, this
> would not be a very difficult task as build 1607 ISO's are now available
> with direct download from Miserable$oft, just remember to get your 25
> digit key first.
>
> I have used the Win 10 ver1607 release and there are many more issues
> there than just this.
>
> Another possibility is to just dedicate a Win 7 or XP system to the
> Ozy/Magister system.  There are plenty of motherboards/older OEM systems
> that will run very well if dedicated.  Intel NUC's are very small and
> can VESA mount on a monitor.
>
> A solution that I would really like to see is a move to a real operating
> system like Linux with ready to run packages for all of the openHPSDR
> software.  The biggest detraction to Linux, for new users, is the need
> to find, configure and compile all of the the various required
> libraries.  A package for a single distro like Mint/Ubuntu would get a
> lot of users up and running very quickly. This would also eliminate the
> inevitable future Micro$oft problems, which are certain to be as bad or
> worse than this one.
>
> Dick K9IVB
>
> On 8/20/2016 7:51 AM, George Byrkit wrote:
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>> Dear all,
>>
>> So Microsoft has a policy for double-signed drivers on Windows 10 that didn't exist
>> before, and it will take place between 60 and 90 days after the release of Windows 10
>> Anniversary (build 1607).
>   >  Snip
>
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