[hpsdr] Ozy/Magister will likely stop working on Win10 in about 60 days

Sat Aug 20 14:38:02 PDT 2016

Jim,
Thank you for your reply, indicating that you have multiple Ozy systems, and would be
willing to give financial support for getting the drivers signed!  That's the kind of
response that I'm looking for.

If there are enough such replies, I'd consider setting something up on GoFundMe, Crowd
Supply, or similar.  The pay-out would be signed drivers.  The plan would be if at least
$500 is put up, to get a 1 year cert.  If I can get $1000, I'd get a 3-year cert.

I wouldn't hold my breath for Windows 12, as Microsoft has pretty much indicated that they
are doing what Apple has done with OS 10: it will be Windows 10 for a long time, with
quarterly and annual updates or similar.

George K9TRV

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From: Hpsdr [mailto:hpsdr-bounces at lists.openhpsdr.org] On Behalf Of Jim Sanford
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 5:20 PM
To: hpsdr at lists.openhpsdr.org
Subject: Re: [hpsdr] Ozy/Magister will likely stop working on Win10 in about 60 days

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I, for one, would like to see this continued, so would gladly contribute 
some $$.

I have two Ozy setups and would like to continue using.  I don't intend 
to upgrade to Win 10 until forced, maybe I can stay on Win 7 until Win 
12 -- but this issue will still be here.

Jim

wb4gcs at amsat.org

On 8/20/2016 4:25 PM, George Byrkit wrote:
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> Dear Dick,
> Your email would be better without anti-Microsoft invective...  We have a problem coming
> up on Windows 10, and moving to Linux just doesn't fix the problem for those who do not
> want to move.
>
> This is tied to a change in Microsoft policy, and as the article I referenced indicates,
> it is related to Secure Boot.  So yes, we have knowledge that it is tied to this.  And
we
> expect that some/any hams will be reluctant to change the BIOS settings in their new
> computer.  We have no expectation that we could or should force them to disable this
> setting.  Nor do we think that having to choose at boot-time to load 'test drivers' is a
> legitimate option.
>
> Windows 10 is a real operating system, despite what you might think.  You cannot fault
> developers for implementing on the OS vendor (Microsoft) that is used by the vast
majority
> of personal computers (I exclude phones and tablets here, on purpose.)  I am using it
just
> fine on about a half dozen computers at home, including my Ham computer, and my
> development machines.  Much better to move to the new OS version, get familiar with it,
> and overcome any objections, rather than speak about them vaguely.
>
> There are so many versions of Linux, and in fact KISS Konsole runs on the Mac and on
> Ubuntu.  I cannot speak for PowerSDR.  Every OS at one time or another puts obstacles
and
> changes in the way of compatibility.  I've been at this about 40 years.  No one is
better
> or worse than anyone else.
>
> Yes, people with Ozy/Magister could keep running on older operating systems.  It would
> help me a lot if they did!  But some/any will upgrade to Windows 10, possibly because
> their older computer dies, and then come to realize that they have this problem.  Or
they
> have upgraded to windows 10 from, say, windows 7, and don't have this problem now, but
if
> they have to reformat their hard drive, or (re)install the OS to a new hard drive, they
> WILL have this problem.
>
> One of the reasons that we went to Ethernet with Metis was that a performant driver
comes
> with every OS that we might use (Windows, Mac, Linux.)  The other reasons included that
> the driver was provided by the OS vendor, needed no signing, had much higher data
transfer
> capacity at the time, transferred large packets efficiently, etc.
>
> 73,
> George K9TRV
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dick Faust [mailto:k9ivb at cox.net]
> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 3:46 PM
> To: George Byrkit <ghbyrkit at chartermi.net>; HPSDR <hpsdr at openhpsdr.org>
> Subject: Re: [hpsdr] Ozy/Magister will likely stop working on Win10 in about 60 days
>
> Does anyone have knowledge that this signing is directly tied to UEFI /
> Secure boot in the BIOS ?   When Win 10 first came out I "upgraded" on
> MBR [now called legacy] boot with both x32 and x64 systems with out a
> problem.  If converting to boot MBR/Legacy would solve the problem, this
> would not be a very difficult task as build 1607 ISO's are now available
> with direct download from Miserable$oft, just remember to get your 25
> digit key first.
>
> I have used the Win 10 ver1607 release and there are many more issues
> there than just this.
>
> Another possibility is to just dedicate a Win 7 or XP system to the
> Ozy/Magister system.  There are plenty of motherboards/older OEM systems
> that will run very well if dedicated.  Intel NUC's are very small and
> can VESA mount on a monitor.
>
> A solution that I would really like to see is a move to a real operating
> system like Linux with ready to run packages for all of the openHPSDR
> software.  The biggest detraction to Linux, for new users, is the need
> to find, configure and compile all of the the various required
> libraries.  A package for a single distro like Mint/Ubuntu would get a
> lot of users up and running very quickly. This would also eliminate the
> inevitable future Micro$oft problems, which are certain to be as bad or
> worse than this one.
>
> Dick K9IVB
>
> On 8/20/2016 7:51 AM, George Byrkit wrote:
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>> Dear all,
>>
>> So Microsoft has a policy for double-signed drivers on Windows 10 that didn't exist
>> before, and it will take place between 60 and 90 days after the release of Windows 10
>> Anniversary (build 1607).
>   >  Snip
>
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